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Was the Wisconsin Quarter error deliberate?

Some people have questioned the authenticity of the Wisconsin Quarter error, claiming it was a deliberate act of a mint employee. Others say it was in fact an unnoticed flaw in the die. Even the experts don't agree on it. Ken Potter says that they are not a collectible because it's a minor die gouge.

Q. David Bowers, affiliated with American Numismatic Rarities is not so sure.

He says, “I think when you get a first view of it, it looks like a die flaw, and if you view it like that, then it’s probably not a collectible. I view it a little differently, with a little capriciousness, where something funny maybe went on at the (Denver) Mint.”

Bowers believes it to be a legitimate variety. “It looks like it was done deliberately by someone who had access to two working dies at Denver,” he explained.

“I think it’s one of the nicest, most exciting things to happen to our hobby in a long time. I think it’s going to become part of what we all do.”

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Gentlemen,
I have looked at many , many Wisconsin state Quarters since this started, I am but a novice coin collecter at best, And I have to say I believe it is a gouge. I have found so many types of gouges on these coins its not funny. The last batch of 40 I look at came right out of the mint bag and they were the most scratched and gouged coins I have ever seen. I have found what looks to be teeth marks all over the cheese, on the cows nose and head, and even on Washington on the front of the coin, on one it looked like he had a nose ring, no kidding, on another it looked like vampire teeth marks on his neck. I've seen other gouges coming out of the cows head, his nose, one even looked like claw marks going across his face...I could go on and on...I think this whole thing has been blown way out of poportion and it is a bad joke..
James Bachus
Louisiana

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I have a Wisconsin Quarter - P, not D, that has the "smoke" in most recessed areas, around the Bull's nose, the corn leaf on the right, a "meteor tail" falling downward from the top/back of Washington's head widening to "In God We Trust" with a "P" under it, as well as "smoke" around Washington's nose and mouth. I don't know what the deal is about the Wisconsin Quarters yet, but thought I'd mention this in case anyone is following "smoking" quarters or "smoke" flaws. The corn only has 4 leaves, including the two which are the "husk" around the corn cob. I'm in Virginia, the Metropolitan Area, about 20 minutes from the Pentagon (which yes, is in Virginia, not Washington, DC - although DC is right across the bridge). If this helps anybody identify what's coming out of where, good. Otherwise, I wonder if anything's a flaw at all and just deminishing quality of our coins, which started with the incorporation of copper in the middle as far as I'm concerned. Yep, we sure don't get as much for our money as we used to, and I guess such an abundance of poor workmanship is putting it literally. (wink wink)

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I dont think your "Die Gouge" theory makes much sense, buddy.....you must be a jealous coin guy cause you cant find an extra leaf wisquarter yourself......who cares how much it is worth it looks cool in my collection and thats all I really care about.....found 7 of them by the way....in circulation in Tempe AZ.....I didnt search rolls I just looked at the change at my work in the register.....Good Luck!

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wow, people sure do get rude. ??Buddy??... jealous coin guy?...heaven forbid someone offer an opinion that contradicts yours.

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I WAS TOLD THAT THE MARK WAS A CHECK MARK ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE CORN, I HAVE ONE AND IT IS RAISED, NOT A GOUGE AND IT HAS THE D. DOES ANYONE REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE WORTH, IF ANYTHING?
I HAVE ONE.

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i have 2 wisconsin state quarters. both 2004. both "p". one has the "smoke" by washington's nose. both have the turned down leaf on the right of the corn husk. great condition. interested in them? let me know! i am in columbus,ohio. thanks! therese

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I have 2 of the Wisconsin quarters. 2004 D
The turned down corn husk 2 turned down, and 2 standing up. If interested please e-mail me.

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Does anyone have a picture of the flawed one?

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Does anyone have a picture????????????Dumb a-- go back to the top of the page.

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I wouldn't have termed in quite so forcefully, but angel is correct in pointing you to the top of the page. The article I cited has a very detailed picture of the coin.

Here's a link directly to the image:

http://www.collect.com/images/editorial/coins_papermoney/468/0210wisa_color.jpg

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I had just Gotten the Wisconsin 2004,D May I see A picture of the mess up? I had Heard About what was going on with the quarter so i have been keeping an eye out. And Today i had just found it what can i do with it? And how much is it worth?

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what if u find a error quater

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Ken Potter is being arrogant and is a party pooper. He is not deserving of his customer base. He ignores the basic rules of eomomics, i.e., effects of consumers' taste & preferences and supply & demand. The Wisconsin errors are nice, desirable, and drawing money. Collectors want them and I want more. So the upleaf has characteristics that lends themselves to a die gouge, but there is no way the downleaf is a gouge -- exam it, it was fashioned by an artist. Buy all you can afford. PCGS recognizes them both, enough said!
rgm

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I THINK ITS A SIMPLE WAY FOR OUR GOV. TO TURN 25 CENTS INTO MUCH MORE..

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I would like to see an update of the error quarter's expected dimise as of 8-04-2005

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Whatever the reason for the "extras"...collecting is fun and "mistakes" make it more so. How many people looked at the Saq/dollar that was stamped as a quarter on the reverse? (rumor has it at $70,000.00 now) How many checked the pennies stamped as a dime on the reverse. (rumor has it at $35,000.00 now) All of the little extra things make it kind of exciting at times. Don't you agree?

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These HIGH Leaf and LOW Leaf Wisconsin Variety 25's are AWESOME.

As you probably know we at OLD PUEBLO COIN in Tucson, Arizona have been involved with these varieties from the very start.

As far as these opinions being thrown around I'll tell you how I feel.
The way these coins turned up (as not too many individuals know) is what is so curious. Both varieties were found within bank wrapped rolls along with regular non-variety coins. Roughly say 7 Low leafs, 3 High leafs and 30 non variety coins. These special rolls also only were in the earliest shipment of Wisconsin Denver Mint quarters that luckily turned up primarily here in Tucson. All subsequent rolls we went thru did NOT contain variety coins.
The fact that they turned up as they did indicates to me that the dies used to strike each variety were in place for a very brief time (maybe 5 to 10 minutes). The fact that an average life of a die is 250,000 coins is immaterial. These coins were NOT struck for the life of these dies. These dies were placed briefly into production and removed and destroyed. I feel someone at the Mint that probably whose job it is to replace worn or damaged dies possibly engraved a high leaf in one die and a low leaf in a second die and put them into production for a brief time, then removed them from the presses and put them into the "to be destroyed pile" and at that time they were likely destroyed. These variety coins are not some coincendince of random die fillings conveniently falling into perfect positions on 2 completely different dies. Had only one of these varieties occurred I might be slightly more agreeable to believing that this was a random die filing scratching a die, but the fact that 2 completely different dies each having "extra leaves" in just the right places, I have to believe that it is not coincidental and certainly was intentional. Our most current estimates of variety coins at this time is about 3500 HIGH Leaf and 6500 LOW Leaf. These numbers would include both Uncirculated AND Circulated coins which have been turning up very sparsley here in Tucson.
Rob Weiss
Old Pueblo Coin
4420 East Speedway Blvd. Ste. 100
Tucson, Arizona 85712
(520) 881-7200
www.OLDPUEBLOCOIN.com

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These HIGH Leaf and LOW Leaf Wisconsin Variety 25's are AWESOME.

As you probably know we at OLD PUEBLO COIN in Tucson, Arizona have been involved with these varieties from the very start.

As far as these opinions being thrown around I'll tell you how I feel.
The way these coins turned up (as not too many individuals know) is what is so curious. Both varieties were found within bank wrapped rolls along with regular non-variety coins. Roughly say 7 Low leafs, 3 High leafs and 30 non variety coins. These special rolls also only were in the earliest shipment of Wisconsin Denver Mint quarters that luckily turned up primarily here in Tucson. All subsequent rolls we went thru did NOT contain variety coins.
The fact that they turned up as they did indicates to me that the dies used to strike each variety were in place for a very brief time (maybe 5 to 10 minutes). The fact that an average life of a die is 250,000 coins is immaterial. These coins were NOT struck for the life of these dies. These dies were placed briefly into production and removed and destroyed. I feel someone at the Mint that probably whose job it is to replace worn or damaged dies possibly engraved a high leaf in one die and a low leaf in a second die and put them into production for a brief time, then removed them from the presses and put them into the "to be destroyed pile" and at that time they were likely destroyed. These variety coins are not some coincendince of random die fillings conveniently falling into perfect positions on 2 completely different dies. Had only one of these varieties occurred I might be slightly more agreeable to believing that this was a random die filing scratching a die, but the fact that 2 completely different dies each having "extra leaves" in just the right places, I have to believe that it is not coincidental and certainly was intentional. Our most current estimates of variety coins at this time is about 3500 HIGH Leaf and 6500 LOW Leaf. These numbers would include both Uncirculated AND Circulated coins which have been turning up very sparsley here in Tucson.
Rob Weiss
Old Pueblo Coin
4420 East Speedway Blvd. Ste. 100
Tucson, Arizona 85712
(520) 881-7200
www.OLDPUEBLOCOIN.com

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Thanks for your insight Rob.

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Seems to me that if the flaws were a "gouge" then they would not appear "raised" on the coin. The raised characteristic of the leaves -- whether up or down -- lends credence to the theory that this is not an acccidental gouge, scratch, etc.

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Great article by Old Pueblo Coin. My only question is how is anyone able to approximate the quantity that is out there? I'm a coin novice who just got wind of these errors through the news and purchased about 40 on Ebay back in the early spring for a long term investment. I did my research and I agree with Old Pueblo regarding the argument that 2 varities just so happened to be so neatly placed. Skeptics like Potter and the other dealers I talked to at the coin shows are nothing more than a bunch of sore losers who just so by the luck of the draw weren't located in the Arizona area. I'm sure most coin dealers order thousands of uncirculated rolls and it just so happens that dealers in Arizona got a big bonus. Basically, every dealer I talked to seemed like they had jealously inside of them that they weren't able to get their hands on them. I bought my 40 uncirculated errors for an average price of about $105 and today I could easily sell them on Ebay for $200-$250 a piece while almost every dealer told me they would be worth $10 or $20 in a couple of months. I will dump these when they I can get $500 a piece for them.

p.s. to one coin shops credit he predicted that these would be worth $400 to $500 in a year even though he didn't have any and I think he just may be right.

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